08-29-85 Street & Alley Comm MinutesAt
• August 29, 1985 SEWER AND WATER/STREET AND ALLEY COMMITTEE 3:30 P.M.
Chairmen Nystul and Palmer and Councilman Springer in attendance. DPW
Hammer, Water and Sewer Superintendent Hyde, Surveyor Zavodny, Mike Fraser
of TD&H, Jim Sharon, Jay Billmayer, Don Arthur of Second Wind, Bill Crivello
of F.I.F.T.H., and Roger Hopkins of the Daily Interlake also present.
LINE EXTENSION OF 5TH AVENUE EAST SEWER - Jim Sharon and Mike Fraser
presented request from lst Interstate Bank. The Committee said they had no
problem as long as the City doesn't have to dig it up again and the patching
is done, and if it is done within the master plan. It was agreed to put it
on the Council agenda. Mr. Sharon was asked to supply the history to DPW Hammer,
who was then to add his recommendation and put a copy in the Councilmen's boxes.
ALLEY BY KALISPELL DRAFTING - The Committee asked that this item be put
on the next agenda so that they would have an opportunity to look at the site.
The next meeting was set for Thursday, September 5.
WIDENING OF WINDWARD WAY - Don Arthur, of the Second Wind, presented the
request and indicated that he was willing to dedicate 10 additional feet to
the City (for a total of 50') and that he was negotiating with Frownfelter,
the developer of a multi -family complex going in to the north. The Committee
agreed that something needed to be done, but asked that the minutes concerning
discussion of a cul-de-sac and the apartments be made available to them. They
• felt that this could be dealt with when Windward Way Apartments comes before
the Committee and it was left at that.
F.I.F.T.H. ALLEY ABANDONMENT REQUEST -Bill Crivello presented request and
attached letter. The existing curb cuts were also discussed. C. Palmer pointed
out that the City has never taken away something they have already given.
The Committee approved the abandonment.
BIDS FOR SANITARY SEWER TRUNK - Committee approved the calling for bids.
This will be on the September 3 Council Agenda.
SOUTHWEST (4TH - 7TH) SID - Discussion of the responses from the survey.
The responses were very negative based on the costs given. The feeling was
that if the costs could be lowered the residents would be interested. If the
City did the water line alone it was pointed out that we would lose the annexation.
DPW recommendation was to use City crews, possibly federal money, and charge
only cost for materials. C. Springer indicated the City should do one project
or nothing, i.e. do it right the first time. DPW Hammer is to report back
to the Committee when he is ready with revised plans.
JAY BERGEN, NORTHRIDGE SEPTIC SYSTEM - Sewer and Water Superintendent
Hyde gave an overview of the problem, which is that City services are not within
reasonable reach of this lot, and the neighbors have septic. County has agreed
to a septic system. It amounts to a choice of allowing a septic system or
a shut -down of the project. There was discussion of the need for policy guide-
lines for septic systems within the City, and the need for a lift station if
• he was required to extend the City line. Attorney Neier could not find any
specific prohibition. The Committee recommended allowing the septic system.
This will go before the Council September 5.
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DWAYNE WANN DEVELOPER'S EXTENSION AGREEMENT - DPW Hammer reviewed with
Committee and the Committee recommended approval. This will go before the
September 5 Council.
SLUDGE - AGRICULTURAL UTILIZATION - Water and Sewer Superintendent Hyde
reported on the first site and the application for approval. There was discussion
of injection.
FIRST ALLEY WEST - Jay Billmayer reviewed the information contained in
an August 9 letter to DPW Hammer. His recommendation was not to slipline because
of the condition and grade of the line. He presented a feasible solution -
a new sewer line at 11'. Closure of the alley at 1st Interstate parking lot
would save the City replacing several hundred feet. Lack of enough local flow
when the by-pass to 5th goes in calls for a new 8" local line. Services and
basement elevations are all located such to adapt to a raised line. Service
relocations included in the cost estimates. Slurry was considered but the
grades won't allow it. Mr. Billmayer didn't see any problem with abandoning
the old line because the new line would be offset and at 14' no surface stress
will bother it. Hauling away vs. on -site storage of removed materials discussed.
It is probably better to remove and put in new pit run rather than dealing
with settlement of clay 5 years down the road. DPW Hammer pointed out that
budgeting is a problem. Timing of the work was discussed - summer or fall
• would be best because of groundwater factors. Mr. Billmayer pointed out that
there will only be about 6 months or so after disconnection before the line
sludges full. It should be in service by the time the main line is in service.
The Committee asked Mr. Billmayer to continue with the engineering and to plan
for calling for bids by April for work to be done by or in June. It was also
pointed out that he needed to coordinate with 1st Interstate Bank's remodeling.
Mr. Billmayer is to give flow data on this to Dennis Carver and Mike Fraser.
Re -doing this line will do away with 5 blocks of roof drains. Owners will
be responsible for the last 5' of the line into the buildings. DPW Hammer
asked to advise owners of what is to be done and that roof drains will be dis-
connected. Utility companies must also be contacted.
The Committee agreed that surface restoration should be asphalt and that
funding to help pay for it was needed. Attorney Neier asked who was responsible
for excavation next to the buildings, and for the protection of the buildings?
The question of temporary access for fire lane was also raised. Two means
of egress for emergencies are necessary for buildings and could be accomplished
by temporary rails and access ramps. The Committee agreed that the contractor
would have to be restricted to # block at a time (1 days work) or something
reasonable.
BILL SCHMIDT - COLONIAL VILLA - It was pointed out that the barricades
in use were grossly inadequate. Surveyor Zavodny pointed out that the City
code states that the City does not monitor, but DPW Hammer indicated that the
City can. He is to speak to Mr. Schmidt about the barricades.
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STREET RECONSTRUCTION PROBLEMS - C. Nystul requested DPW Hammer to make
up a list showing when things happened at Russell School so that the problem
could be found and so that the problem would not be repeated. Seasonal help
was discussed and it was pointed out that it was needed long before this.
SANITATION CREW - Discussion of number of FTE needed with the implementation
of the new side -arm loader. Two men are needed on the Side -arm Loader, and
the same crew will be in use on the East side. That leaves one extra man now,
and when the East side goes to automated service it will mean another one
person in excess of need. When it was suggested that the extra person be added
to the Street Department it was countered with why do that at the end of the
construction season? Staffing needs discussed: 4$ FTE are needed in solid
waste. Why pay for 2 3/4 FTE when they aren't needed? The Street Department
needs to look at it's needs vs. it's manpower. Solid waste needs to look at
a 1 3/4 reduction. One year down the road there will be one man and one truck.
An original discussion included lowering garbage taxes and raising street taxes
in equal amounts and moving men accordingly. It was pointed out that if manpower
was not reduced the City could not accumulate the funding for the cans for
the East side. C. Palmer asked for a memo to the Finance Committee stating
that the Street Department funds are expected to be depleted with the current
projects and so they should plan on a reduction of FTE by one.
• WASHINGTON STREET - Discussion of water lines crossing, street widths
close to trees and utility poles, and no response from the power company on
the moving of the poles. Plan is to start Washington when the Highway Department
street is done. Surveyor Zavodny suggested going a standard 31' street with
no parking and miss the trees. He pointed out that this has heavy usage between
Main and 3rd as a Main and Idaho bypass, while from 3rd to 7th doesn't get
as much traffic. There will be a transition from Main of 37'. Parking loss
for businesses discussed. It was decided that the Committee needed to think
about it some more and it was tabled till the next meeting.
SOUTH MEADOWS SUBDIVISION STREET WIDTHS - This was never addressed in
the final plat. DPW Hammer recommended anything over 24' and that curbs and
sidewalks not be required at this time, pointing out that the City can order
them whenever it sees fit. C. Palmer pointed out that the street should be
wide enough for bikers and walkers, perhaps 24' width of pavement plus a delineated
shoulder. An off -center 24' would also work.
WIDTH OF AVENUES ON CENTER STREET - 41' radius on south side of Center
Street for 1st through 5th Avenues West. There are no curbs on 3rd now, and
putting radius in will solve parking problem at the Chicago Connection. When
curbs are ordered in street will be made 41'. The other streets should be
made 41' for the first block at this time.
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