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05-12-87 Parking Comm MinutesMay 12, 1987 PARKING COMMISSION 4:00 P.M. Chairman Gordon Pirrie and Commission members Colin Wills and Austin Miller in attendance. Ed Gallagher, Bruce Lutz, Ken Yachechak, Dale Harr, Doug Rauthe, Frank Grubb, Jim Meyers, and Roger Hopkins of the Daily Inter Lake also present. STOCKMAN'S BAR - The parking requirements for the expansion were brought up. Mr. Wills felt that the rules should be abolished and that only new construction should be required to provide additional parking. Ed Gallagher stated that he has put together a workship group to deal with this and it will meet the 27th of May. He will send notification letters to everyone involved. MALL PARKING LOT - The Commission felt they were still interested in having the college use this space during the school year. Gordon Pirrie said he would like to take another try at it this fall. He read the minutes from the last meeting concerning this. He and Colin Wills disagreed with the Council's reasoning on this issue. MONTANA BUILDING LOT - Gordon Pirrie read an offer from Ken Yachechak offering to sell the lot at the price of $35,000 for 24 parking spaces. Ken said they would work out anything acceptable to the City. The taxes are approx- imately $425/year, the lot is metered, there is approximately 2 City lots. He stated that the costs are beginning to exceed the benefits and they feel • like they own it for someone else's use. The lot is paved, striped, metered, and lighted. The Commission asked that the Police Department provide revenue figures for this lot, and they would discuss it at the next meeting. ADDITIONAL METER PERSON - The Commission agreed with the April meeting minutes and the proposal that an additional meter person should be tried for 3 months. The cost of a half-time employee, including benefits, was requested. J AND J SERVICES PROPOSAL - Gordon Pirrie read a proposal from J and J Services to clean the City's parking lots. It was felt that they definitely needed cleaning and the Street Department will be asked to do that as soon as possible. At the present there are no funds available for contracting this work out, but the Commission felt that the information should be kept for possible future comparison of costs. MONTANA PAGING NETWORK, INC. PROPOSAL - This is a company owned by Doug and Dan Johns. The proposal (attached) would provide an effective means of checking on license numbers without returning to the Police station. There was discussion of some problems that might occur with people being ticketed on their days off, etc. It was felt that a sales ticket could redeem a parking ticket. Meters vs. no meters was discussed, as well as stiffer ordinances that hit the pocketbook hard enough to effect change. Contracting out parking services was suggested, and moving the Parking Commission out of the Police Department. HANDICAP PARKING STALLS - A request to change the handicap stalls from one end of the blocks to the other to facilitate the loading of wheelchairs into the back of vans is being taken care of. PARKING COMMISSION May 12, 1987 Page 2 NORTHWESTERN TELEPHONE REQUEST - Time has shown that the parking spaces alloted on Highway 93 are not sufficient. The phone company has requested three additional spots on the southwest side of Washington Street be designated as 15 minute parking. Mayor Kennedy stated that this is being taken care of. BEAUTIFICATION OF PARKING LOTS - Bruce Lutz, of Architects Design Group, presented the attached plans for the Eagles Lot and the 3rd and Main Street Lot. He explained that there would be no loss of parking spaces and that the lots would be completely reconstructed. Gordon Pirrie pointed out the wisdom of redoing these two lots in conjuction with the sewer project in 1st Alley West. There was some discussion of the need and requests for restrooms downtown, and contracting out the maintenance and cleaning of the restrooms so they are not a burden to the City. There was discussion of trees, the pros and cons, and the need to go through the Shade Tree Commission. Bruce Lutz pointed out that none of the downtown lots have been professionally land- scaped. He also stated that the input received from various audiences reviewing the downtown redevelopment plans has been to improve the parking and add more trees. Colin Wills stated that the Commissions should be concerned with parking spaces first and glorification last. Doug Rauthe felt that the Commission would be remiss in their responsibility to the community to turn down trees • and "niceties". He suggested that the Commission members go to other meetings and listen to what the residents want. Tourists comment often on the trees in town. He stated that if the Commission was going to have the power of their position they needed to listen to the people. He said again that we need to make the downtown nice, and to do that regardless of past decisions, right or wrong. Colin Wills responded that we need to live with our needs and not our wants. Gordon Pirrie said the Commission needs to improve what we have as well as obtaining more parking. The use of the funds from tax increment for improvements was questioned. Austin Miller felt they were for purchase, not beautification. Gordon Pirrie stated that they could be used for both. Frank Grubb from O'Neil Printers stated that he agreed with Doug Rauthe. He hears comments from customers appreciating the beautification. He felt that joint efforts could help the cost of projects. Landscaping attracts. The idea of total parking lot or just additional space was raised. There was an intense discussion of the way the landscaping was done on the Eagles lot and a disagreement on ashpalt and concrete. Colin Wills questioned the performance of Bruce Lutz and said he didn't want to get rooked on a contract again, and gave examples of problems. Doug Rauthe stated that philosophically he has a real problem with acquiring more uptown land for parking, taking it off the tax rolls, and using tax dollars to buy it. He said that in his opinion what we have hasn't gone far enough - from a design point of view we should make a one-way street out of 3rd Street, one-way street out of 1st Street between 1st Avenue West and Main Street, feeding the parking lot, expanding • the parking lot out into the right-of-way that used to be street, diagonal parking along what is left. One way 1st Avenue East, one way 1st Avenue West, diagonal park, and every business would gain parking spaces in front of their business, instead of over at the old O'Neil Lumber property, or over behind the Depot. If everybody gained a parking space or two or three in front of PARKING COMMISSION May 12, 1987 Page 3 their business place, there wouldn't be any land taken off of the tax rolls and there would be parking enough. Instead of land acquisition lets use what we have more efficiently. There are one way streets all over the world and they are very effective. Colin Wills stated that Calgary was a good example of this idea and he was in agreement but, we will still have the problem with angle parking that we have today unless people are educated to get off Main Street. Education of downtown employees and students was discussed. The need for members who will show up so there is a quorum was discussed. Doug Rauthe pointed out that good input from the community was a great need. He felt that Bruce Lutz had been railroaded out of the meeting and he was concerned that input not be discouraged. aj g • — v--Mountain Pagingilletwork,Inc. -ems-- Suite 24, Glacier Building 307 First Avenue East P.O. Box 913 Kalispell, PAT 59903 (406) 755-6078 (406) 862-1809 April 24, 1987 Mr. Gordon Pirrie Kalispell Parking Commission Kalispell City Hall Kalispell, MT 59901 RE: Meter Maid Patrol/Data Communications Dear Parking Commission Members: This letter is to follow-up a telephone conversation I had today with Mr. Gordon Pirrie, of.the Kalispell Parking Commission, regarding the ability of:Mountain Paging Network to provide Packet Radio/Data Communications. Having followed with interest in the newspaper the progress being made by the Kalispell Parking Commission in your study and analysis of:the downtown parking situation for Kalispell, the thought occurred to me concerning this attempt to monitor and control the flagrant on -street parking of: -vehicles by business owners, business employees, FVCC students, and FVCC personnel. There is currently available the use of:Packet Radio/Data Communications, which is quite cost-effective communication equipment, and it may be a very viable method in patrolling and controlling the on -street parking situation. Let me explain Packet Radio/Data Communications. In the communications industry, there is now available very good technology on a cost-effective basis whereby data communications is sent over the airwaves from vehicles to a central terminal. The central terminal is connected to a computer which stores any information desired. The requested information is then sent back directly to the vehicle. In other words, a meter maid patrol vehicle could send license plate numbers and/or vehicle descriptions through the use of:a cigar box -sized mobile radio control terminal which contains a small typewriter key pad. This information is then transmitted to the base terminal over the airwaves, which in turn is inter -connected to a computer. The information sent is then searched in the computer with virtually an instantaneous response being given to the mobile operator regarding the information being sought. The meter maid person would then know if -the vehicle which they are checking is either an authorized vehicle to be parked, or an unauthorized vehicle parked in violation. This technology requires no manual operation except for the meter maid person and the periodic inputting and changing of the data in the computer. Serving Northwestern Montana with advanced equipment and service in telephone answering, mobile'portable-radio.telephone and pager%beeper services. Kalispell Parking Commission April 24, 1987 Page Two Mountain Paging Network, being a licensed radio common carrier by the Federal Communications Commission, would be interested in providing such Packet Radio - Data Communications equipment and service to the Kalispell Parking Commission in their on -going attempt to monitor vehicles parked in violation of :•City Ordinances. - - I would be glad to meet with the Kalispell Parking Commission at any time to further discuss this technology, and if -they wish, to further research the costs associated with it, so that the Parking Commission would have an additional option to consider in their attempt to get a handle on on -street parking violations. Thank you for your consideration. Kind regards. Sincerely, MOUNTAIN PAGING ORK, INC. Douglas R. Johns President lep • PRELIMINARY ESTIMATE: 3RD STREET AND MAIN PARKING / PLAZA PREPARED BY: ARCHITECTS DESIGN GROUP DATE: MAY 12, 1987 ITEM ITEM AREA OR COST/UNIT TOTAL # VOLUME COST 1 Asphalt Base Course 340 CY $8.75/CY $3000.00 & Compaction (8") 2 Asphalt Leveling 90 CY $14.0/CY $1260.00 Course (2") _ 3 Asphalt (2" Surface) 13,800SF $.50/SF $6900.00 4 Stabilization Fabric 20,500SF $.15/SF $3000.00 5 Concrete Plaza Base 90 CY $8.75/CY $ 790.00 & Compaction (6") 6 Concrete Plaza (4") 4,635 SF $3.40/SF $15759.00 w/ 2x2 Jointing & E.J.S. 7 Concrete Curbs 320 LF $9.0/LF $2880.00 • (Curb & Gutter) 8 Concrete Planter 75 LF ea. 2 @ $4000 ea. $8000.00 Benches 9 Kiosk/Info. Center 150 SF $25/SF $4000.00 10 Catch Basins (?) Budget Budget $1500.00 11 Irrigation (Drip) Budget Budget $1000.00 12 Trees 8 $300.00 ea. $2400.00 13 Topsoil 40 CY max. $12/CY $ 500.00 14 Lighting Budget Budget $5000.00 15 Restrooms 2 @ 140SF 2 @ 7500 ea. $15000.00 16 Demolition 500 CY $2.0/CY $1000.00 17 Parking Striping - - $ 200.00 18 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Design Lump Sum 8% $5775.00 • TOTAL w/o Contingency $78,000.00 TOTAL w/ Contingency $85.800.00 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ADD ALTERNATES: 19 Concrete Plaza $24,100.00 Colored & Patterned (Sub for #6) 20 Fountain or Sculpture $6000.00 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GRAND TOTAL W/O CONTINGENCY $92,340.00 • • Landscape Screen (Sculpture, Water Feature, etc.)—� Plan: Example 2 1w:30' general, Kali sual impact on the aesthetic character the s[ree [s Cape. In some cases, some properties the care area have resulted as parking of urnishing the Parking Lots"""• 4fs�'=ist- spell's downtown private d publ it parking lots have z negative Y � - olden" enna nCemenL opportunities. The s In PRELIMINARY ESTIMATE: EAGLES / 1 ST AVE. WEST PARKING LOT RENOVATION PREPARED BY: ARCHITECTS DESIGN GROUP DATE: MAY 12, 1987 ITEM ITEM AREA OR COST/UNIT TOTAL # VOLUMNE COST 1 Monolithic Curb 600 LF $6.25/LF $3750.00 2 Trees (28) 2 1/2-4" $350/ea. $9800.00 caliper 3 Perm.Mulch & Weed 3200 SF $1.10/SF $3250.00 4 Lighting Budget Budget $15000.00 5 Irrigation (Drip) Budget Budget $2000.00 6 Concrete Crosswalks Budget Budget $2000.00 7 Sealcoat & Restriping 24,000 SF $.075/SF $1800.00 • 8 Design ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lump Sum 8% $3000.00 GRAND TOTAL $40, 608.00 ADD ALTERNATES: 9 Redo Sidewalk 1st 1600 SF $3.40/SF $5500.00 GRAND TOTAL $ 4 6,1 0 8.0 0 •