02-23-89 Parks Comm Minutes4
iPARKS/PUBLIC LANDS/ANNEXATION/BUILDING REGULATION COMMITTEE MEETING
February 23, 1989 5:00 P.M.
Present at the meeting were Councilmen Furlong (Chairman), Gary Nystul, Jim Atkinson,
Roger Hopkins; City Attorney Neier, Surveyor Zavodny, Public Works Director Hammer,
Dave Greer, Mike Fraser, Doug Johns (for Developers Diversified), and Keith Wilson
(for Lantis).
HERITAGE PLACE ANNEXATION:
C. Furlong explained what was progressing with the zoning, annexation and subdivision
of Heritage Place. He said FRIO had some conditions and a discussion followed.
1. Sewer Main extension. The staff recommended that the sewer will terminate at
mid -property and an addendum will be that future development desiring to connect
to the extension would be borne by whoever wanted to hook on.
2. Fire Hydrants. C. Furlong stated he had been in touch with the Fire Chief and
he thought the current fire hydrants there were satisfactory.
3. Utilities located within recorded easements. There was a discussion regarding
the sewer main and hookups. Mike Fraser said Developers Diversified will give the
City a 20' easement for the sewer line which will be installed by Lantis.
• C. Nystul asked about the street lighting. Keith Wilson stated Lantis would light
the parking lot and facility, but they had not discussed the street lighting.
There was a brief discussion regarding zoning. Dave Greer said the property is
presently in the County and is not zoned, but it will be assigned a zone when it
is annexed to the City. He stated everything around that is RA-1, except one
spot.
MOTION: C. Nystul moved the committee recommend the Council on March 6th to
accept the annexation and zoning of Heritage Place, subject to these conditions.
C. Atkinson seconded. The motion passed unanimously.
HERITAGE PLACE SUBDIVISION:
There was some discussion on condition No. 2 regarding the storm drainage disposal.
Mike Fraser said the storm drainage has to be acceptable to Public Works, then
when the site plan comes in, that is reviewed. David Greer explained that when
the final plat comes up for approval all these conditions listed will be checked
off if they have been met, and they will not be able to create the subdivision if
not all the conditions have been met.
Condition No. 3. There was a brief discussion regarding this, David Greer explained
these were recommendations from FRDO but subject to approval by the City and they
could be changed.
Conditon No. 4. The current fire hydrants are acceptable to the Fire Department.
There was a discussion about possibly putting in one more, DPW Hammer will get
together with the Fire Chief to discuss it.
0 No discussion on Conditions 5 and 6.
Condition No. 7. The 70-wide road easement was discussed at length. Mike Fraser
gave a history of the Windward Way problem. He stated that in talking with the
architects they did not feel that the road was needed at this time.
C. Atkinson asked who should bear the cost of building the road, D. Greer said it
would be up to Developers Diversifed and Lantis how they would arrange that. Mike
Fraser explained the present situation on Windward Way. There was a discussion of
what will happen with future development and the need to widen Windward Way.
David Greer stated Heritage Way has the capacity to handle the traffic now but
that at some point a road will be necessary. He suggested that if we don't pursue
a road right now we should at least pursue an easement. DWP Hammer explained that
if Developers Diversified continues to develop they would need more highway access
and the road would not be necessary.
At this point Keith Wilson, representative from Lantis, spoke. He stated that
they only have 18 months to build a new nursing home facility as the County
Nursing Home will close. He said Lantis does not have time to argue about a road,
they are on a tight time frame. He asked that we deal with this as rapidly as
possible as they have a March 15 deadline.
Fred Zavodny stated he had heard the same pleas from Heritage Health regarding the
time factor. He said the City has to look ahead and this is the time to negotiate
easements and roads for the benefit of Heritage Health, Lantis, the doctors, and
everyone else. He said we have to look beyond this development and seek how we
can link these developments together in the absence of a master plan.
C. Atkinson asked Mike if we clean up Windward Way, would it be wide enough for
two cars? Mike said yes, if we curb and gutter it the first hundred feet as well.
DPW Hammer said it could be done.
Doug Johns said he had spoken with John McGill at Developers Diversified regarding
some recent developments that have been coming from FRDO and the County Commis-
sioners' office. He stated that back when Developers Diversified was considering
putting in a shopping center and asked about using Windward Way as a second back
access the City said no, there were apartments there and they were not going to
have a thoroughfare going through there. Now they want to tie it together? Johns
said what he wants to do is sit down with the City, the Planning Staff, and the
County Commissioners and do a Comprehensive Master Plan for that land. Johns said
the City has his assurances that Developers Diversified will grant and create a
right-of-way through their land and will cooperate when (1) we can get together
and talk about a Comprehensive Plan, and (2) when the City cleans up Windward Way.
He stated this is only one of the first of the roadway problems that is going to
be addressed. He said he would like to have #7 struck as a condition of the
subdivision.
C. Nystul asked why go to the expense of building a road in that particular
location if in the foreseeable future a master plan could be laid out that would
say that going down the east side would not be more beneficial to everyone concerned.
iurinnc said we're Duttine that off into the future and in the immediacv we
40 have no inteLnel roi-J for internal traffic. C. Nystul proposed a one year time
frame.
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iKeith Wilson spoke again regarding the time factor. He said Lantis endorses
improvement of the traffic conditions but he asked that it not hold up their
ability to move ahead while the City hammers out a way to solve this. He said it
is not incumbent upon them to build that road for their own needs now.
C. Atkinson stated he felt that Windward
unless the City does something about it.
challenge.
Way does not have a whole lot to offer
He felt Johns' condition was an excellent
C. Furlong stated we would have no control over the master plan. He said we have
a chance to do something right now to eliminate congestion and provide for internal
traffic. Furlong stated he had tentatively set a meeting for next Thursday at
4:00 P.M., and we can act on it now or act on it later, but we are obligated to
meet the deadline of March 6.
Fred suggested another link through the land around the water line, from Heritage
Way to Sunnyview. There was a discussion of whom the easement came from originally.
Doug Johns agreed with Fred and said he is willing to work out a solution as he
stated before.
C. Hopkins said he thought we could write in the language for the easement now
with the understanding that once the master plan is done the easement could be
vacated if a more suitable alternative appears later.
C. Atkinson stated that he was appalled that we're not willing or excited about
• jumping in and pursuing some long-range planning. C. Furlong said he is opposed
to addressing it now and that what we do need to address now is Lantis.
C. Nystul stated he would like to recess this meeting and continue next Thursday
at 4:00 to give the committee some time to look over the situation on Windward
Way.
David Greer asked Doug Johns what he thought about providing the easement subject
to abandonment and/or modification upon acceptance of a master transportation plan
for that property and then once that plan is developed Doug would have the right
to abandon that if it's not the right alignment and have a time schedule of 18
months or something like that. Doug said he is willing to consider that only if
the City cleans up Windward Way. He will not accept item No. 7.
Meeting adjourned at 7:10 P.M.
Shirley Hughes, Recording Secretary
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