06-17-87 Parks Comm MinutesJune 17, 1987 SEWER AND WATER, FINANCE, PARKS COMMITTEES 8:00 A.M.
Chairmen Nystul and Manning, Council Members Hafferman and Ruiz in atten-
dance. Mayor Kennedy, DPW Hammer, Attorney Neier, Parks Director Brent, Construction
Inspector Van Dyke, Sewer and Water Superintendent Hyde, Jay Billmayer, Don
Barringer and Dean Conaway also present.
1ST ALLEY WEST - Jay Billmayer explained Pacific Power and Light plans
and costs for putting utilities underground. DPW Hammer stated that the additional
costs presented are for conduit for putting the wiring underground, and that
it is expected that the City will bear the cost of installing the conduit.
Individual hook-ups: Mr. Billmayer spoke with the state electrical inspector.
The method approved will cost $300-$500 per building. Some buildings will
not have to be modified. Two or three buildings are affected by code separation
rules and will have to modify.
DPW Hammer questioned how much the bank paid to put their services underground
vs. what the City is being asked to pay. He stated that the City could force
_ PP&L to pay because of the franchise, but that may not_be the best solution.
He did feel that the telephone was using PP&L poles and that problem should
be discussed between PP&L and the phone company, not the City and the phone
company.
Mr. Billmayer is working on the lift station agreements. The general
consensus of those he has talked to is that they want the alley upgraded,
the overhead lines buried, and gravity sewer as much as possible. He stated
that Gordon Pirrie, of Western Outdoor, is willing to eliminate his basement
plumbing so that there is not need for a pump, and Mr. Billmayer questioned
whether in this type of situation the $3500 set aside for the pump could be
used instead to reroute the plumbing. This led to the question of whether
the City would hire the plumbers to do the work, whether it could be part
of the contract, hourly rates vs. a set rate. The $3500 figure came from
$2200 for the pumps plus installation charges. The danger of additions and
changes involved in remodeling old buildings would make a set rate_,the wisest.
Re-routing of roof drains would not be covered at all because they are
illegal. Owners must either re-route or pay the assessment. The Committee
agreed fully on this point.
It was decided: 1) To build into the bid fixed costs for replumbing of
each building. Billmayer Engineering will provide bidders with a group one-time
tour of the buildings for bidding purposes. 2) To allow up to $3500 for re -plumbing
if the pump can be eliminated. This would apply only to units where a pump
was needed. Where a lift station is to be installed the City will pay for
the pump and installation, and after one year the pump will become the property
and responsibility of the owner. 3) In instances where one owner has more
than one building the savings from one building can be applied to another
owned by the same individual.
Bids will be called for the middle of July so construction can be done
in the fall so as not to disrupt tourist trade any more than necessary. All
agreements must be signed before bidding.
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DPW Hammer asked where the $350,000 and the $50,000 contingency was going
to come from. It was decided that Jay Billmayer will provide final figures
after a meeting with the utility companies. It was suggested that PPSL be
notified that holes in the alley left after the pulling of poles must be patched,
and that the extraction job must be neatly done.
DPW Hammer congratulated Jay Billmayer on the excellent job he is doing
on this project.
WEST WIND VILLAS - Don Barringer explained that a letter from FRIO raised
a red flag at Farm Home because of the need to bring utilities to the site.
Farm Home will finance only on -site items. They require all utilities to
be brought to the site. The intent is to annex this property to the City
using Yellowstone as the entrance. Several options are available: 1) For
the City to deed back to Nash a parcel owned by the City which would then
-- allow the developer to develop it into a private road access; 2) The -city
to bring utilities to the site and put the road in, then develop within the
site and deed back to the City; and 3) which may or may not be possible, would
be fore the City to deed a parcel to the developer, who would then develop
the road and utilities and deed it back to the City upon completion. He felt
• that Farm Home would not be agreeable to option #3. Easements and possible
future access needs in the area were discussed in detail. The size of water
lines is important: Coming from Meridian the water would be 12", from Hawthorne
it would only be 8". There are problems with not enough pressure in that
area already, so a 12" line is needed. After extended discussion of possibilities
and needs the following points were decided upon: The City is not willing
to deed the roadway property between Hawthorne and the development to Barringer.
The best solution to the water and sewer is to come off Meridian. This is
based upon the fact that the sewer line in Kinshella stops 200 feet short
because of grade and conflict with the water line. A lift station would be
required. The City is not able to trade the roadway piece because -of utility_
locations. The City is not willing to extend sewer and water and the roadway
because of the precedent it would set for future developments. The Committee
encouraged Mr. Barringer to look for alternative solutions as they would like
to see this parcel annexed. It was also suggested that Leonard Nash attend
the next meeting on this subject.
SALE OF GRIFFIN FIELD - Don Wiebe and Ted Dykstra of Dykstra Real Estate
presented their reasons for wishing to list Griffin Field. The listing with
former Councilman Palmer has expired. Mr. Weibe stated that he is heavily
involved with commercial real estate and is located close to the property.
He feels that if Griffin Field is sold as one property it should list for
$300,000. If sold in twelve 50' lots fronting on 2nd and 3rd Avenues East
the property would be more saleable and bring in more income. He based this
on values of $30,000 for the interior lots on 3rd, and $40,000 for corner
lot on 3rd, and $22,000 for interior lots on 2nd, and $27,500 for the corner
• lot on 2nd. This would totoal $387,000. He stated he was willing to list
this property for a 4% brokerage fee. C. Manning stated that the Parks Committee
was not in a position to make a decision. Community Development is in control
of this land. The philosophy of the sale to raise funds to get a new field
going has changed. Long range planning is not yet solidified. He felt a
joint Parks and Community Development Committee was needed. C. Manning also
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stated that the City didn't know the highest and best use for the property
until we know what Burlington Northern's plans are for the area. The question
to be answered is whether to list the property now, or wait for BN?
BOY SCOUT TREE PLANTING PROJECT - Don Wiebe stated that his Boy Scout
troup has a merit badge requirement to plant trees. After some discussion
it was decided that Dykstra Real Estate would provide the trees, Parks Director
Drent will teach them how to do the planting correctly, and the trees would
be planted in the park area across the road from Begg Park.
BOY SCOUT SIGN PROJECT - Norm Root is working with the Scouts on a sign
for Woodland Park. The Committee felt that the rock work should be consistent
with the mansion and surrounding area. Appreciation was expressed for the
repair work at Lyons Park restrooms and repair to the dugouts which was donated
by Norm Root.
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