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12-20-84 Street & Alley Comm Minutes4:00 P.M. December 20, 1984 JOINT STREET & ALLEY/SEWER & WATER COMMITTEES The committees met in the Conference Room, present were S&A Chairman Palmer, S&W Chairman Nystul, C. Springer, Mayor McDowell, DPW Hammer, Street Foreman Clements, Working Forman Cox and Bill Maurer of the Water Department, Surveyor Zavodny, Con- struction Inspector VanDyke, Finance Director Swanson, Roger Hopkins of DIL and Jim Sutton and Art Heller of Day Equipment. Award Bid for 12 Yard Dump Truck C. Palmer referred to a letter from Foreman Clements, recommending the Roy Stanley bid on the Chevrolet truck with Caterpillar 3208Tengine and the Perfection model 244 dump box. Copy of letter is attached. DPW Hammer's recommendation is the same. After discussion, the committee agreed to accept the Roy Stanley bid. Award Bid for Backhoe C. Nystul referred to a -letter from Steve Cox to DPW Hammer, indicating that of the two vehicles, a 1983 Ford and 1985 John Deere, all water department personnel agree that the John Deere backhoe best meets department needs and requirements. That letter and comparison sheet of the two machines are attached. Mr. Sutton explained that the Ford bid of $35,990 was for Model #555, 70 hp, rather than their Model #755, which has greater hp, 100, than specified. A question of the vintage of the Ford, 1983, was discussed. TheJohnDeere bid was for a 1985 backhoe at $45,350. Their other bid, a Case, was briefly discussed. It was decided that the Ford representatives will bring in information on the #755 model, a comparison: of the machines will be made, as well as clarification of the year, 1983-1985. They will be notified of the next meeting. Fifth Avenue West DPW Hammer explained that the need for the trunk line was discussed a couple of years ago. Surveyor Zavodny distributed a sketch and comparison of 3rd and 5th Avenue routes. He defined the North -South Sanitary Sewer. Trunk Line Concept as follows: 1) The trunk line is intended to be an express line.to move sewage from the city to the treatment plant as quickly as possible. 2) Create additional crossing of RR property: a) Prevent overload of existing system, b) Increase volume of existing system, c) Emergency equalizer 3) The trunk line would not be considered a sewer main as no service connections would be made on the trunk line. A) Functions of trunk line l.) Intercept.existing mains at points of potential surcharge a) Surcharge from roof drains (downtown) b) Surcharge from existing mains running at capacity (W/N development) Points of potential surcharge a) W. MontaneStreet& 3rd Avenue W.N. b) llth Street W. & 3rd Avenue W OR 6th Alley W. & 9th Street W. B) Keep North Valley sewer out of existing sewer mains. 1) North Valley sewage is pumped until storage tank is empty. 2) North Valley sewerdistricthas the potential- for vast expansion. 4) Storage Capacity 1) Proposed 30" line on Airport Road C. Springer moved to accept Fifth Ave.Proposal. Second by C. Nystul, all voted aye. Motion carried. Meeting adjourned at 5:00 P. M. ms LeRoy E. McDowell Drawer 1997 Mayor zip 59901 Telephone (406) 755-5457 THE CITY OF K A L I S P E L L, M O N T A N A TO: Ken Hamner, Director of Public Works December20, 1984 FROM: Steve Cox, Water Department Foreman RE: Backhoe/Loader Bid Review Dear Ken: Following review of the bids submitted for the backhoe/loader, Water Department personeel are in agreement that the John Deere hoe best meets the requirements of our Department. Several of the regular operators in the department had the opportunity to put both the John Deere, and the Ford, through actual field testing, under normal working conditions. The Sewer Department also has a Case backhoe/loader, which all of us have operated at one time or another. Again, under actual operational testing, the John Deere was the unan— imous choice of our department. The guages in the John Deere are clearly visible while operating either function of the machine, with no turning around required. While we were testing the machine from Ford$ that is being bid, we lost power steering capabilities twice, and found that the stabilizers would leak down, causing settlement problems. The John Deere provides excep— tional operator visibility, and all of them easily open, while the Ford has less peripheral visibility and only some of the windows open. The John Deere comes standard with reversable street/dirt pads which flip over in seconds for the proper application to conditions, while the Ford requires a mechanicU changeover, requiring a trip to the shop. Attached you will find a comparison of the machines to our specifications, and actual needs. The John Deere machine bid would be a brand new machine, while the Ford is a demonstrator, 1983 model. It is the opinion of all personnel that the John Deere is the superior machine, and best fits our needs. Thank you, Stege Cox, Foreman "Vacation City" SANITARY TRUNK LINE ALTERNATES 3RD AVENUE ROUTE 3rd Avenue W. Sanitary trunk line $198,715 • Water main 89,882 Storm drain 128,522 Street reconstruction 272,217 Design, survey, inspection 68,933 Sub -total $758,269 $758,269 5th Avenue W. Street reconstruction $638,117 Immediately needed Storm drain 119,917 Water main 108,666 Design, survey, inspection 86,670 Sub -total 953,370 953,370 TOTAL COST $1,711,639 Advantages: 1. Most direct route 2. Straight line, no bends or deflections 3. The water line would be rebuilt Disadvantages: 1. Easement for mall crossing must be obtained 2. Extra cost for tunnel under mall ($45,580) 3. The surface of 3rd Avenue is not deteriorated but in good condition and does not needy mmed- iate construction. 4. There are no major drainage problems on 3rd Avenue. Storm drain costs on 3rd Avenue are 25% more than on 5th (per TD&H study). 5. It is not a heavily traveled street TH AVENUE ROUTE Sanitary trunk line $186,632 _ Water main 108,666 Storm drain 119,917 Street reconstruction 638,117 Design, survey, inspection 105,333 TOTAL COST $1,158,665 Advantages: 1. Leave 3rd Avenue undisturbed - 2. The water line would be rebuilt 3. __ 5th Avenue needs to be rebuilt: (a) Deteriorated surface and sub -base (b) Drainage problem Cc) Hazardous conditions: too narrow for increasing flow of traffic (d) It is -a through street 4. The storm drain is needed immediately (per TD&H study) 5. Save money on the mall crossing (obtaining easement and tunnel $45,580) 6. The cost will be lowered by installing all of the utilities at once. 7. This route opens the possibility of connect- ing to the sanitary line on Meridian. •tsadvantages: 1. Four (4) extra blocks of line 2. Extra depth required TRUNK LINE ALTERNATES trj II Ii SANITARY SEWER TRUNK LINE _ _ _ - ^ ORIGINAL ROUTE PROPOSED IN 1982 �'�� �� {•'. l:. �J ,rnlrr 11LLL NEW NORTH VALLEY SEWER LINE _� - - •L�L•_ IFS_-,P ..1 _ .,{., ., , ,._x - NEW PROPOSED 5TH AVENUE ROUTE"..," - �� �_�. .. -�=s: •: EXISTING LINES -- --- - L^��-"- ''� - F•_„- OVERLOADED I !�� 6R T, NORTHERN RAILW '.\ I-�q-y-�I I •[fief �[ ti tvT♦♦6 „��J.l�f� �•'�e�'�°'�` I��-����.e��-.�� i_!_. ram. II I � f° '3 IL_ i?L 1.E� bFINEE��- � ram... Aoo:i' FagY r� �T �v ��'arzpE PARK LeRoy E. MCOMCH Mayor Drawer 1997 ZIP 59901-1997 Telephone (406) 755'5457 THE CITY OF K A L I S P E L L, M O N T A N A TO: Ken Hammer Public Works Director FROM: Bill Clements Street Superintendent SUBJECT: Bids for 12 yard dump truck DATE: December 12, 1984 I have gone over the bids for a new 12 yard dump truck. In my opinion, the bid from Roy Stanley for the Chevrolet truck with the Caterpillar 3208T engine and the Perfection model 244 dump box would be the most acceptable, due to the fact that it is within our budgeted allocation for this truck, and the bid from GMC has an add -on of $219.00 for the Perfection box over the Heil dump box, bring- ing Demarois Oldsmobile and GMC of Missoula bid to a total of $47,802.00. Roy Stanley's total bill is $45,849.00. Roy Stanley is a local business and we have availability for parts through Long Machinery, a local Caterpillar dealer. Caterpillar guarantees a 48 hour de- livery on parts if they do not have them in stock. - This Chevrolet truck and the GMC truck are virtually the same, with the same engines and same transmissions. I have gone over these bids with our Shop Foreman, Dan Gibbs, and he has the same opinion. ms cc: Mayor Paul Palmer B. C_ "Vacation City' COMPARISON SHEET J Q�� 41ity Specifications_ New �- John Deere Operating Weight-15,000 15,300 Loader Lift Capacity-6,000 6,180 Backhoe Lifb-4,500 5,000 Bucket Digging Breakout-10,000 10,200 Tires-21X24(10 Ply) Same Engine-250 Cubic Inch 276 Cubic Inch Turbo -Charged Yes Loader Bucket Capacity 1983 Ford 13,9750 4,700 3,900 9,735 16.9x28(8 Ply) 201 Cubic Inch No 1.25 Yards 1.3 Yards 1.1 Yards t In operating all three machines, visibility of the bucket was poor on the Ford, non- existent on the Case, and exceptional on the John Deere. We regularly works in the boulevards, and require precision backfill capabilities around curb stops, and the ability to see the bucket is paramount to operation.