12-20-84 S&W Comm Minutes4:00 P. M. December 20, 1984
JOINT STREET & ALLEY/SEWER & WATER COMMITTEES
The committees met in the Conference Room, present were S&A Chairman Palmer, S&W
Chairman Nystul, C. Springer, Mayor McDowell, DPW Hammer, Street Foreman Clements,
Working Forman Cox and Bill Maurer of the Water. Department, Surveyor Zavodny, Con-
struction Inspector VanDyke, Finance Director Swanson, Roger Hopkins of DIL and Jim
Sutton and Art Heller of Day Equipment.
Award Bid for 12 Yard Dump Truck
C. Palmer referred to a letter from Foreman Clements, recommending the Roy Stanley
bid on the Chevrolet truck with Caterpillar 3208Tengine and the Perfection model 244
dump box. Copy of letter is attached. DPW Hammer's recommendation is the same. After
discussion, the committee agreed to accept the Roy Stanley bid.
Award Bid for Backhoe
C. Nystul referred to a -letter from Steve Cox to DPW Hammer, indicating that of the
two vehicles, a 1983 Ford and 1985 John Deere, all water department personnel agree
that the John Deere backhoe best meets department needs and requirements. That letter
and comparison sheet of the two machines are attached.
Mr. Sutton explained. that the Ford bid of $35,990 was for Model #555, 70 hp, rather
than their Model #755, which has greater hp, 100, than specified. A question of the
vintage of the Ford, 1983, was discussed. The John Deere bid was for a 1985 backhoe
at $45,350. Their other bid, a Case, was briefly discussed.
It was decided that the Ford representatives will bring in information on the #755
model, a comparison of the machines will be made, as well as clarification of the
year; 1983-1985. They will be notified of the next meeting.
Fifth Avenue West
DPW Hammer explained that the need for the trunk line was discussed a couple of years
ago. Surveyor Zavodny distributed a sketch and comparison of 3rd and 5th Avenue
routes. He defined the North -South Sanitary Sewer. Trunk Line Concept as follows:
1) The trunk line is intended to be an express line to move sewage from the city
to the treatment plant as quickly as possible.
2) Create additional crossing of RR property: a) Prevent overload of existing
system, b) Increase volume of existing system, c) Emergency equalizer
3) The trunk line would not be considered a sewer main, as no service connections
would be made on the trunk line.
A) Functions of trunk line -
.1) Intercept existing mains at points of potential surcharge
a) Surcharge from roof drains (downtown)
b) Surcharge from existing mains running at capacity
(W/N development) - -
Points of potential surcharge
a) W. MontanaStreet& 3rd Avenue W.N.
b) llth Street W. & 3rd Avenue OR
6th Alley W. & 9th Street W.
B) Keep North Valley sewer- out of existing sewer mains.
1) North Valley sewage is pumped until storage tank is empty.
2) North Valley sewerdistricthas the potentialfor vast expansion.
4) Storage Capacity
1) Proposed 30" line on Airport Road
C. Springer moved to accept Fifth Ave.Proposal. Second by C. Nystul, all voted aye.
Motion carried.
Meeting adjourned at 5:00 P. M.
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LeRoy E. McDowell
Mayor
Telephone (406) 7555457
THE CITY OF K A L I S P E L L,
TO: Ken Hammer, Director of Public Works
FROM: Steve Cox, Plater Department Foreman
RE: Backhoe/Loader Bid Review
Dear Ken:
Drawer 1997
Zip 59901
M O N T A N A
December20, 1984
Following review of the bids submitted for the backhoe/loader, Water
Department personeel are in agreement that the John Deere hoe best meets
the requirements of our'Department.
Several of the regular operators in the department had the opportunity
to put both the John Deere, and the Ford, through actual field testing,
under normal working conditions, The Sewer Department also has a Case
backhoe/loader, which all of us have operated at one time or another.
Again, under actual operational testing, the John Deere was the unan-
imous choice of our department.
The guages in the John Deere are clearly visible while operating either
function of the machine, with no turning around required.
While we were testing the machine from Ford, that is being bid, we lost
power steering capabilities twice, and found that the stabilizers would
leak down, causing settlement problems. The John Deere provides excep-
tional operator visibility, and all of them easily open, while the Ford
has less peripheral visibility and only some of the windows open. The
John Deere comes standard with reversible street/dirt pads which flip
over in seconds for the proper application to conditions, while the Ford
requires a mechaniciaL changeover, requiring a trip to the shop.
Attached you will find a comparison of the machines to our specifications,
and actual needs. The John Deere machine bid would be a brand new machine,
while the Ford is a demonstrator, 1983 model. It is the opinion of all
personnel that the John Deere is the superior machine, and best fits our
needs.
Thank you,
Stege Cox, Foreman
"Vacation City"
SANITARY TRUNK LINE ALTERNATES
3RD AVENUE ROUTE
3rd Avenue W. Sanitary trunk -line $198,715
• Water main - 89,882
Storm drain 128,522
Street reconstruction 272,217
Design, survey, inspection 68,933
Sub -total $758,269 $758,269
5th Avenue W. Street reconstruction $638,117
Immediately needed Storm drain 119,917
Water main 108,666
Design, survey, inspection 86,670
Sub -total 953,370 953,370
TOTAL COST J $1,711,639
Advantages: 1. Most direct route
2. Straight line, no bends or deflections
3. The water line would be rebuilt
Disadvantages: 1. Easement for mall crossing must be obtained
2. Extra cost for tunnel under mall ($45,580)
3. The surface of 3rd Avenue is not deteriorated
but in good condition and does not needsimmed-
iate construction.
4. There are no major drainage problems on 3rd
Avenue. Storm drain costs on 3rd Avenue are
25% more than on 5th (per TD&H study).
5. It is not a heavily traveled street
•3TH AVENUE ROUTE
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Sanitary trunk line
$186,632
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Water main
108,666.
Storm drain
119,917
Street reconstruction
638,117
Design, survey, inspection
105,333
TOTAL COST
$1,158,665
Advantages: 1.
Leave 3rd Avenue undisturbed
- 2.
The water line would be rebuilt
3.
5th Avenue needs to be rebuilt:
(a) Deteriorated surface and sub -base .
(b) Drainage problem
(c) Hazardous conditions: too narrow
for increasing flow of traffic
(d) It is.a through street
4.
The storm drain is needed immediately
(per TD&H study)
5.
Save money on the mall crossing (obtaining
easement and tunnel $45,580)
6.
The cost will be lowered by installing all
of the utilities at once.
7.
This route opens the possibility of connect-
ing to the sanitary line on Meridian.
•tsadvantages: 1.
Four (4) extra blocks of line
2.
Extra depth required
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Drawer 1997
Zip 59903'1997
Telephone (06) 755 5457
THE CITY OF K A L I S P E L L, M O N T A N A
TO: Ken Hammer
Public Works Director
FROM: Bill Clements vlwt/
Street Superintendent
SUBJECT: Bids for 12 yard dump truck
DATE: December 12, 1984
I have gone over the bids for a new 12 yard dump truck. In my opinion, the bid
from Roy Stanley for the Chevrolet truck with the Caterpillar 320ST engine and
the Perfection model 244 dump box would be the most acceptable, due to the fact
that it is within our budgeted allocation for this truck, and the bid from GMC
has an add -on of $219.00 for the Perfection box over the Heil dump box, bring-
ing Demarois Oldsmobile and GMC of Missoula bid to a total of $47,802.00. Roy
Stanley's total bill is $45,849.00.
Roy Stanley is a local business and we have availability for parts through Long
Machinery, a local Caterpillar dealer. Caterpillar guarantees a 48 hour de-
livery on parts if they do not have them in stock.
This Chevrolet truck and the GMC truck are virtually the same, with the same
engines and same transmissions.
I have gone over these bids with our Shop Foreman, Dan Gibbs, and he has the
same opinion.
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cc: Mayor
Paul Palmer
B. C.
"Vacation City'
Oity Specifications
"•Operating Weight-15,000
Loader Lift Capacity-6.,000
Backhoe Lifb-4,500
Bucket Digging Breakout-10,000
Tires-21X24(10 Ply)
Engine-250 Cubic Inch
Turbo -Charged
Loader Bucket Capacity
COMPARISOJN� 3I=T
New John Deere
Deere
15,300
6,180
5,OOO
102200
Same
276 Cubic Inch
Yes
1983
Ford
13,950
4,700
3,900
9,735
16.9x28(8 Ply)
201 Cubic Inch
1.25 Yards 1.3 Yards 1.1 Yards—,
In operating all three machines, visibility of the bucket was poor on the Ford, non-
existent on the Case, and exceptional on the John Deere. We regularly works in the
boulevards, and require precision backfill capabilities around curb stops, and the
ability to see the bucket is paramount to operation.
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