Various Low-Flying Airplane ComplaintsFred Leistiko
From: Scott Scott [maxwellsnortsnort@hotmaiLcom]
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 12:36 PM
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stokes@z600.com; Theresa White; Fred Leistiko; fmiele@dailyinterlake.com;
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Teresa, Please make sure every member of the council receives a copy of this public letter
Dear Mayor and City Council Members;
I requested the Council to review and consider the merits of the F.A.A. grant study. It's to my understanding that the
council members that voted for the F.A.A. grant study will not consider reevaluating or reconsider such a vote. Being a
resident and tax payer of this city I'm deeply sadden by such behavior and waist of our money. It also disturbs me that
acknowledgement of this request was not even addressed. Many resident of this city are not pleased with your actions.
And hopefully at election time these actions of yours will be noted.
Now many of the residents of Kalispell want you our council to address the noise issue of Red Eagle Aviation out at
OUR city owned and operated public airport. The Kalispell Police department refuses to act on any and all noise
complaints coming from the City airport, the F.A.A. states that it is a City Issue and that we must remove the irritant. The
residents of kalispell are not upset with the local pilots and out of town visitors (if any) that use our publicly owned
airport. But the main problem is the lack of foresight of the past council to allow a aviation training facility to operate out
of and over our city and residents. The continual landings and taking offs are a public nuisance and noise irritant of
residents and local business operators. And we the residents want you the Council to put a stop to it. As we are aware
that the lease agreement is not valid and is not legal. Please set this up for Council and Public discussion, you do not
need a F.A.A. grant study to do this.
I feel if the City of Kalispell wants to have an airport within it's city limits, any repetitious landing and take offs as
Red Eagle Aviation does should be denied if the airport wants to remain at it's present location. F.A.A. has advised Red
Eagle to fly neighborly and showed them a exit corridor to fly, but they do not comply, and our airport manager has not
been successful in getting them to comply. So we feel that they have been given enough opportunity to cooperate and
are unwilling to do so. We would like the city council to make arrangement to start removing them for our city property.
This issue with Red Eagle Aviation has been going on for a few years now. The residents of Kalispell have had enough.
Public acknowledgement and response of this letter is expected.
From: Theresa White
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 8:01 AM
To: Duane Larson; Duane Larson; Jeff Zauner; Jim Atkinson; Jim Atkinson
oatkinson@flathead.mt.gov); Kari Gabriel; Randy Kenyon; Robert Hafferman;
robertt@montana.com; Tammi Fisher; Tim Kluesner; Wayne Saverud
Cc: Jane Howington; Charlie Harball; Fred Leistiko
Subject: FW: Eckels greeting/comment
-----Original Message -----
From: Steve Eckels[mailto:eckels@guitarmusicman.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 8:59 AM
To: Theresa White
Cc: Scott Scott
Subject: Eckels greeting/comment
Hi folks!
It's been a while. I've been meaning to write regarding the death of those kids in the
recent airplane crash.
In a parallel universe - there would have been an official at the airport overseeing flights
(like the rangers at Glacier Park). This official might have warned the kids that:
1. The weather was hot and to use caution on quick changes of elevation 2. The plane was 43
years old and under a full load - what precautions to take.
Would you let your kids take a 43 year old car into the wilderness?
I still don't understand why there is no oversight (that I know of) at the airport - not the
manger, not the FBO....
As a shareholder, I am not comfortable letting our aviator guests travel without some
friendly oversight/guidance.
Could we pass a law to commemorate the death of these kids? The law would put restrictions
on the age of planes flying over our town.
43 years old? Where were you 43 years ago when the plane was built?
The other crash involved an old junker.
Also, we pay to play golf, to use the pool, heck, aren't there regulations for the skateboard
park? In my new neighborhood we have an association that chips in to pay to have the grass
mowed and for oversight of covenants.
...why are aviators given a free pass? A fee might pay the salary for a sky ranger to be on
duty and prevent tragedies like the crash we recently had.
Thanks and good luck.
Steve Eckels
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Fred Leistiko
Scott Richardson [scott@pagenw.com]
Thursday, June 24, 2010 1:09 PM
Fred Leistiko
FW: Airprort
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Here you go little fella!
Scott
From: denise@flatheadbusiness.com [mailto:denise@flatheadbusiness.com]
Seat: Thursday, June 24, 2010 11:46 AM
To: Scott Richardson
Subject: FW: Airprort
Sounds like it is turning into a witch hunt for Red Eagle Aviation... Looks as though we should resurrect that resolution.
What is your schedule next week — Tuesday or Wed???
Denise M. Smith
Executive Director
Flathead Business and Industry Association
From: Scott Scott [mailto:maxwellsnortsnort@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 10:59 AM
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m.paulson@bresnan.net; maryiverson@bresnan.net; flinch_05@hotmail.com; hammerquistl2@yahoo.com;
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Subject: FW: Airprort
AIRPORT STUDY OR INVESTIGATION?
I'm not sold on doing any studies about this airport using F.A.A. grant money. All it is doing is using
more of taxpayers money to find other ways to use F.A.A. grant moneys (More tax payers Money) to
expand and develop this airport and remove it from our control. We have spent hundreds of thousands on
studies already. The people of Kalispell do not want an expanded runway , nor do we want F.A.A.
involvement in our airport as we don't want to be subjected to the 39 assurances they will put a pond us.
What we need is a STUDY/INVESTIGATION, in how and why the City paid Red Eagle $774,000.00 ( 3/4
OF A MILLION DOLLARS) for such a small piece of land and then gave them a 20 year lease with two 5
year options to extend there lease, AND only a $1500.00 a month lease agreement ( you can't even rent a
house for that ), WITH OUT THE COUNCILS APPROVAL AND VOTE, they are going to tell you that they
made a resolution or ordinance to allow the management to do this, Wrong! It has to be the vote of the
council, no where in that rule can be delegated to anyone else. But they won't tell you that they broke
Montana Code Annotated 7-8-4201 by doing so. Our City Attorney, City Manager, City Airport manager,
Mayor and Some Council Members were all in on this with Red Eagle Aviation and other lease holders out
there ( you can see all there signatures on the contracts ). Our new City manager stated that the rules
were broke, she almost signed one. I'm shocked to see our city attorneys signature on them, he know the
laws!
Let's do a study on who broke the laws first. I believe Red Eagle and our city airport manager was in
on it because they knew if we were to get the F.A.A. grant to expand the runway they would be left out.
BECAUSE of the 39 assurance state that there will be no through the fence business on the F.A.A. funded
and run airport. I asked the City Manager, how did Red Eagle property come up for sale and why did we
buy it? She said Oh, property just comes up for sale now and then and we bought it to improve our airport
safety zone. $774K? For a small piece of land? Monks have 11 acres there for a lot less for sale, but city
is not buying it. No answer.
Now I'm being told we can't break the lease agreements or we will be sued by Red Eagle and others, I
think the court should decide on who can sue who. People will start chirping like birds if they think they
may see some jail time for doing some inside dealing and miss use of public funds. Maybe Red Eagle
wants' to buy back there land and rip up there lease. Let's not get any deeper by doing more studies and
continue to expand. Maybe we should talk about the Moneys of the land that Roseuars and Hilton sit on
and the Armory deal and the dealing on the Radio Towers. And all the other land purchases the city has
made out that way. And why did we spend 2. something million on land purchases when they knew they
couldn't get the F.A.A. moneys to pay it back?
Let's get "Progressive" "Let's make things right" "Let be Honest" It's our response ability to correct past
city employees mistakes and wrong doings. And bring to justus people that abuse the system and us.
Scott Davis
448 5th. Ave. West
Kalispell , Montana 59901
406-752-1523
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From: Scott Scott [maxwellsnortsnort@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 2:48 PM
To: Fred Leistiko; Jane Howington; tammi@fisherlaw.org; councilmembers@kalispelf.com
Subject: Airport
OPEN LETTER TO CITY AIRPORT MANAGER
To: Mr. Leistiko, City Airport Manager.
As you are aware or should be aware, that there are a lot of complaints being generated about
the activities at our City Airport, concerning Aircraft noise over our schools and residents of this fine city.
Most of the complaints are concerning the business of Red Eagle Aviation, and a few pilots that are not
complying with F.A.A. recommendation of flight paths after taking off. Nor the concerns of the residents
and warnings of the Kalispell Police Department. As of yet have I heard of no warnings or
recommendations or statements to these people from you our City Airport Manager. We have a City noise
ordnance, and being that this noise is coming from city owned property, it must be dealt with accordance
to city law, our air space is under this law.
I personally have been in contact with the Kalispell Police Department and the F.A.A. Flight
Standards Division, and have raised concerns of this matter with the City Manager and The City Council.
And nothing is being done about this, also the many News paper articles of people complaining of the
aircraft noise.
So I have been advised by the F.A.A. to collect all reports on this matter and send it to them and
they will take care of this problem as it seems the City or your office will not. I know for a fact that you
have been given complaints as far back as three years.
So I`m requesting all documentation in your records of complaints sent to you and all reports of
people that have called you on complaints of low flying aircraft, noise of aircraft, and concerns of aircraft
flying over there homes and schools.
These reports will be compiled with F.A.A and Sheriff and Police Reports and letters from residents
of this city and made known to F.A.A. as to there request.
These documents can be sent to me: Scott Davis at 448 5th. Avenue West, Kalispell ,Montana 59901 or
please call ( 752-1523 or 212-8439) and I can come pick them up.
EArl-07-7-
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To the Members of the City Council:
•. that summer is almost here, I would •aw like "• bring up
the issue of aircraft noise pollution. Last fall one of our Council
Members stated that noise is not a problem and some of the
comments "made his blood boil" and "Increased his blood pressure"'. I
beg your pardon but noise is and will continue to •' a problem for
residents of south Kalispell7This issue is not going away and it will be
an extremely derelict if the council chooses to ignore our rights to
"quiet enjoyment" of • properties. It seems the Council and the City
of Kalispell have '.given consideration to Red Eagle Aviation, pilots from
other • the • community of Kalispell, and now it would be
nice if you could give the citizens of south Kalispell the same
consideration and find a way to mitigate the droning noise of airplane
engines circling overhead all day.
It appears from the comments that have come in that the peop14
would like to see the airport continue as a small municipal airport.
They •• • want • expansion. Many of the concerns had to do with
Red Eagle Aviation Flight School. That is where most of the noise is
generated. The Flight School is incompatible with residential living. Tha,.
Flight School needs to relocate to Glacier Park International Airport
where they would be welcomed.
As a side' note, both my brother and sister-in-law are design
engineers for Boeing Corporation with a combined 50-years
experience. My sister-in-law works in Engine Analysis and is more than
a little familiar with FAA requirements, etc. With regard to Kalispell's
wish to receive FAA reimbursement/funding, she encouraged me to
protest because, as she says, "This is a road you don't want to go
down." We stand to lose all local control of issues such as noise and
traffic.
Mary Iverson
Kalispell
Fred Leistiko
From:
Charlie Harball
Sent:
Thursday, May 20, 2010 10:36 AM
To:
Fred Leistiko
Cc:
Jane Howington; Tammi Fisher
Subject:
RE: Airport
Fred
I have some recollection that Jane gave the directive that because of the abusive
behavior of Mr. Davis toward you, he was to direct all of his inquiries to her and not to
you. I notice that he used the scattergun approach on this one. In the meantime, you
might want to collect any of the documentation that you have regarding complaints you
have received and we will find out if any FAA office is truly interested in receiving this
documentation. It may be a little premature, but as Jeff Walla goes through his work, he
will need this documentation as well.
Charlie
From: Fred Leistiko
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 4:41 PM
To: Charlie Harball
Subject: Airport
Charlie, your comments please.
From: Scott Scott[mailto:maxwellsnortsnort@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 2:48 PM
To: Fred Leistiko; .lane Howington; tammi@fisherlaw.org; councilmembers@kalispell.com
Subject: Airport
OPEN LETTER TO CITY AIRPORT MANAGER
To: Mr. Leistiko, City Airport Manager.
As you are aware or should be aware, that there are a lot of complaints being generated about
the activities at our City Airport, concerning Aircraft noise over our schools and residents of this fine city.
Most of the complaints are concerning the business of Red Eagle Aviation, and a few pilots that are not
complying with F.A.A. recommendation of flight paths after taking off. Nor the concerns of the residents
and warnings of the Kalispell Police Department. As of yet have I heard of no warnings or
recommendations or statements to these people from you our City Airport Manager. We have a City noise
ordnance, and being that this noise is coming from city owned property, it must be dealt with accordance
to city law, our air space is under this law.
I personally have been in contact with the Kalispell Police Department and the F.A.A. Flight
Standards Division, and have raised concerns of this matter with the City Manager and The City Council.
And nothing is being done about this, also the many News paper articles of people complaining of the
aircraft noise.
So I have been advised by the F.A.A. to collect all reports on this matter and send it to them and
they will take care of this problem as it seems the City or your office will not. I know for a fact that you
have been given complaints as far back as three years.
So I'm requesting all documentation in your records of complaints sent to you and all reports of
people that have called you on complaints of low flying aircraft, noise of aircraft, and concerns of aircraft
flying over there homes and schools.
These reports will be compiled with F.A.A and Sheriff and Police Reports and letters from residents
of this city and made known to F.A.A. as to there request.
These documents can be sent to me: Scott Davis at 448 5th. Avenue West, Kalispell ,Montana 59901 or
please call ( 752-1523 or 212-8439) and I can come pick them up.
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From:
Jim Pierce Uim@redeagleaviation.com]
Sent:
Tuesday, April 20, 2010 7:42 AM
To:
Fred Leistiko
Cc:
trnyr@hotmail.com
Subject:
RE: Planes
Good Morning Guys,
It would be greatly appreciated to the color and or type of helicopter so I could educate them personally. Just for your
information there are only two "approved" routes that I have been pushing from the SE and they are SW of the towers
and the other is straight in from the river, over the County shop and industrial area.
I have no problem talking to anyone as long as I can know who it is. I have not had any opposition from any pilot when
I speak to them.
Have a great day,
Jim Pierce
Red Eagle Aviation
From: Fred Leistiko [mailto:fleistiko@kalispell.com]
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 4:32 PM
To: tom read
Cc: Jim@redeagleaviation.com
Subject: RE: Planes
Tom
We have a few aircraft coming in from the remote dirt and grass strips in the valley to park at the City Airport until their
landing field are dried up and not so soft or muddy. That accounts for some of the low flying small aircraft. As for the
helicopters, they are required to avoid the flow of fixed wing traffic unless they are staying in the traffic pattern for
training. So, depending on the fired wing traffic, the helicopters get out however and whenever they can. We
encourage them to delay a few minutes instead of shooting out below the fixed wing traffic. We will try to remind our
crews and see if we can get more cooperation. Thanks
�r' A. I eist`iko
J rport Manager
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From: tom read [mailto:trnyr@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:54 AM
To: Fred Leistiko
Subject: Planes
Hi, we are again getting the low flying planes and an increasing number of helicopters. They are
beginning to eclipse the good guys who go out of their way to be kind to us -to them I am very thankful. I
am unsure as to why they seem to fly right over my house when heading easterly, but numerous people
dn. The good guys go around the towers and then go east. The helicopters are doing it going out as well
as in. Thanks, Tom Read
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Fred Leistiko
From: tom read [trnyr@hotmaii.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 6:55 PM
To: Fred Leistiko
Subject: Sunday Evening
As we told the FAA, it is very hard to get a tail number. Tonight beginning about 5:30, we had a guy
shooting landings. I noticed he was louder than most who appeared to be flying around the towers. On
watching him he had already made his turn and was heading north over the first tower, thus going right
over all the houses. It started where I could see him out my front window, but got progressively more
directly overhead. This was an hour long performance, and the plane was a white Cessna with what
appeared to be dark red stripes on the sides. Those who fly Around the towers are relatively quiet going
both directions, unless one of them has a loud prop. Thanks, Tom Read
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From: tom read [trnyr@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:44 PM
To: Fred Leistiko
Subject: RE: Low flights
I sent a reply to Red Eagle too -just saying that not all people are out there raising hell. Many people are
really good about flying around the towers and it is very much appreciated and noted that they are trying.
Others it seems just can't bother to do the right thing and go where they want how they want and
without concern about those trying to live here. The copter looked red to me, but I saw it flying away
from me -could have been another color but looked red to me -had a v-type tail I think, and was not big
like the Alert craft. At any rate I never ever begrudge those people flying over, they are only getting
there as fast as they can. I can tell Alert coming a mile away, and this was a smaller craft than theirs.
Don't mean to get crabby about it, but all it takes is one or 2 to wreck it for everybody. All we ask is a
little common courtesy -I never asked them to quit flying. Thanks Much! Tom Read
From: fleistiko@kalispell.com
To: trnyr@hotmail.com
CC: jhowington@kalispell.com; Jim@redeagleaviation.com
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:00:55 -0800
Subject: RE: Low flights
MW
I am sorry to hear that the low flying aircraft have disturbed your Sunday afternoon again. I will try to chase down the
culprits if I can. I will start with forwarding this message to Red Eagle Aviation because there are only two red
helicopters that come near the Kalispell City Airport. One is the ALERT helicopter and the other one belongs to Red
Eagle Aviation. If the ALERT helicopter is coming in from the south going to the hospital it comes right next to the City
Airport. Airplanes should be climbing out and up as they leave the airport and should not be a problem. If I remember
correctly you live north of the KGEZ towers and we try to get our aircraft to go south of the towers as they climb out to
avoid your place. I will see what I can come up with. Thanks for your information.
z e s A. Lest€
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P,O. Box 1997
Kalispell, MT 59903
406-250- 065
From: tom read [mailto:trnyr@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 5:12 PM
To: Fred Leistiko
Subject: Low flights
Again we are getting more and more lower flying aircraft over our home. As I have repeatedly said, we
must be on a due east course from the airport as they are flying the same direction each time -that is the
ones who aren't flying landings. I have begun to believe with all the airport hubbub that this is deliberate.
The last one so far today was a helicopter at app. 4:50 PM who couldn't have been a hundred feet over
my house. It appeared to be red, but all I could see was the rear portion as it headed to the airport. I
stayed away from all those protest meetings and have tried to be fair, but these so-called "fly -boys" are a
bunch of selfish self centered so and so's anymore as far as I'm concerned. 5:08 PM, there went another
plane. Iguess any nice Sunday Ican kiss off toallow these guys their little hobby. Isthis what vvaget
from the "city fathers"' decision to keep that place going? I say thanks for nothing. Tom Read
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From:
Fred Leistiko
Sent:
Monday, February 22, 2010 11:01 AM
To:
'tom read'
Cc:
Jane Howington; 'Jim@redeagleaviation.com'
Subject:
RE: Low flights
Tom
I am sorry to hear that the low flying aircraft have disturbed your Sunday afternoon again. I will try to chase down the
culprits if I can. I will start with forwarding this message to Red Eagle Aviation because there are only two red
helicopters that come near the Kalispell City Airport. One is the ALERT helicopter and the other one belongs to Red
Eagle Aviation. If the ALERT helicopter is coming in from the south going to the hospital it comes right next to the City
Airport. Airplanes should be climbing out and up as they leave the airport and should not be a problem. If I remember
correctly you live north of the KGEZ towers and we try to get our aircraft to go south of the towers as they climb out to
avoid your place. I will see what 1 can come up with. Thanks for your information.
F=: ed A. Leistiko
Airpc;r "r Manager
P. , SO), 11997
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From: tom read [mailto:trnyr@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 5:12 PM
To: Fred Leistiko
Subject: Low flights
Again we are getting more and more lower flying aircraft over our home. As I have repeatedly said, we
must be on a due east course from the airport as they are flying the same direction each time -that is the
ones who aren't flying landings. I have begun to believe with all the airport hubbub that this is deliberate.
The last one so far today was a helicopter at app. 4:50 PM who couldn't have been a hundred feet over
my house. It appeared to be red, but all I could see was the rear portion as it headed to the airport. I
stayed away from all those protest meetings and have tried to be fair, but these so-called "fly -boys" are a
bunch of selfish self centered so and so's anymore as far as I'm concerned. 5:08 PM, there went another
plane. I guess any nice Sunday I can kiss off to allow these guys their little hobby. Is this what we get
from the "city fathers"' decision to keep that place going? I say thanks for nothing. Tom Read
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From:
Fred Leistiko
Sent:
Thursday, December 31, 2009 12:44 PM
To:
Denise Michel; Jane Howington
Subject:
RE: complaint on low flying plane
Jane
Due to the terrible weather in the afternoon, we had very little flying. I did notice an older twin engine aircraft take off
north and turn northeast bound under very low visibility. I didn't recognize the aircraft as it was not one of our based
aircraft. However, due to the low visibility the aircraft did not climb into the clouds so his noise level would have been
louder than normal, i happened to be going out to the airport from City Hail about that time and saw the aircraft, but
could not get an €D. I was just south of City Hall on main Street at the time. Which would make it close to her
neighborhood when I saw it. Unfortunately it was about a 3 to 5 second event, but could have been louder than normal.
From: Denise Michel
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 2:27 PM
To: Fred Leistiko; Jane Howington
Subject: complaint on low flying plane
A citizen called 12/30/09 at 2:16 to lodge a complaint.
She stated that a very loud, low flying airplane flew over her house at 2:10 today and she is
very unhappy.
She is located in the 400 block of 5ch Ave East. No name was provided.
She would like the Airport Manager to look into this issue.
Thanks,
Denise
Fred Leistiko
From:
Terry Roe [terryroe@gmail.com]
Sent:
Monday, August 24, 2009 7:59 PM
To:
Fred Leistiko
Subject:
Re: Low flying aircraft Sunday morning
Fred,
Thanks for getting back to me. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get a tail number. I was bleary-eyed from being
woken up so early (6:45). This plane looked like a trainer. I saw it coming in from the south after an apparent
refueling run, which it did a few times. It was flying very low, so the noise was quite excessive. It was difficult
for me to see because I have some trees in the way. I will try to get a tail number the next time, though.
Thanks for the apology even though it wasn't your fault. It's nice to know someone is thinking about and
looking into this issue.
O7
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Fred Leistiko <tieistikoroDkalisDell. com> wrote:
Terry Roe:
Your message was forwarded to me by the City Manager to investigate. I also heard the same aircraft circling
the area NW of the City that morning. I checked with Red Eagle Aviation at the City Airport and they only had
two flights on the schedule for Sunday and both where in the afternoon. As far as I can determine, this flight
did not come from the City Airport. Therefore, it had to come from one of the other airports in the area. I know
for a fact, because I have flown with a GPI Instructor, that GPI and others use the west practice area that comes
as far south as the new High School. Unfortunately, the City does not have the resources to chase down all the
low flying aircraft that come near the City limits. We do however, rely on citizens like yourself to get us a tail
number, if possible, and I can locate the owner of the aircraft on the computer and have a discussion with them
about noise abatement. I can assure you that the pilots based at the City Airport are very aware of our noise
abatement procedures and try very hard to observe them. Unfortunately, takeoffs and landings are a different
story all together. Without more data, all I can do is apologize for the idiot at the wheel of that aircraft. They
give us all a bad name.
Kindest regards,
Fred Leistiko
From:
Dan Norderud [dan@RPA-HLN.COM]
Sent:
Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:32 AM
To:
Fred Leistiko
Cc:
Rick Donaldson
Subject:
RE: FAA Airport Environmental Considerations
Fred - There's certainly a historic aspect to the airport site. The cultural report done in 2002 didn't identify any
residential or commercial structures on the airport or in the vicinity that were of historic age (at least 50 years old). The
State Historic Preservation Office agreed with the findings of the cultural report --no impacts.
One of Mr. Eckel's phone comments to me yesterday was that the airport causes "noise pollution" impacts in the historic
districts established in Kalispell. I told him that this would likely be a very difficult thing to both analyze and prove. The
historic districts in Kalispell were likely established to recognize concentrations of historic architectural
structures or significant intact old neighborhoods in the community. While aircraft noise (and other sources of noise-
Harleys with straight pipes!) are indirect effects, it would be a big stretch for anyone to prove that aircraft noise
adversely affects the qualities or characteristics that were used to nominate any individual structures or districts in town
to the National Register of Historic Places. These historic sites and districts were established many years after
the airport was developed.
IJAN- i1
>>> "Fred Leistiko" <feistiko@kalispell.corn> 7/22/2009 9:08 PM >>>
Dan
Thanks for copying me on this. The Kalispell City Airport has been in its current location for almost 80 years, wouldn't
you consider that an historical site?
Thanks,
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From: Dan Norderud [mailto:dan@RPA-HLN.COM]
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:08 PM
To: eckels@guitarmusicman.com
Cc: Rick Donaldson
Subject: FAA Airport Environmental Considerations
Mr. Eckels - The link below will take you to a publication produced by the FAA titled "Environmental Desk Reference for
Airport Actions" (October 2007). This document addresses the environmental subject areas typically addressed in
environmental reviews for airport projects. You will note that the subject areas cover various aspects of the human and
natural environments.
h'Ltp1 vv—mi,faa.ciov/airports/environmental/environmental desk ref/
Please be aware that this FAA guidance supercedes the guidance that was in place at the time the Environmental
Assessment for the Kalispell City Airport was prepared. As I mentioned to you during our conversation, the degree to
which the environmental subjects are discussed and analyzed varies depending upon the scope of the airport project
and the characteristics of the project area.
The links to the other FAA "Orders" that appear on the webpage for the Environmental Desk Reference provide further
information about FAA's environmental policies and compliance procedures.
Since you had several concerns about the Public Hearing for the Environmental Assessment, I would direct you to
review the contents of APPENDIX F in the Final Environmental Assessment for the Kalispell City Airport. This appendix
includes evidence of legal notice for the public hearing, pre -hearing publicity in the Daily Interlake, a transcript of the
public hearing and testimony offered, written comments received, and sign -in sheets showing some 20-25 people (not
counting RPA staff or folks affiliated with the City Airport) attended the hearing.
Thank you for your interest in this project.
Dan Norderud
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Fred Leistiko
From: Fred Leistiko [fleistiko@kalispell.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 9:21 PM
To: 'tom read'
Subject: RE: cropduster
IIm
You will probably be happy to know that we plan to move the runway a 1000 feet south when we build the new one.
Also, the KGEZ towers will have to be removed before we can do that. This should be a permanent solution to the noise
over your house.
From: tom read [mailto:trnyr@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 6:47 PM
To: fleistiko@kalispell.com
Subject: RE: cropduster
Thanks for your efforts! I watched that guy fly just to the north of me and he was far lower than most
aircraft flying out. He went right over my house quite early and just as low. Made fewer flights than last
year so far. The folks flying around the towers have by and large been doing a good job -very little to
gripe about! I live at 29 Lower Valley Rd., or about a block and a half from the 93/Willow Glen jct., and
must be exactly due east of where planes lift off, as when they avoid the towers, they fly right over my
house, headed that way. Thanks Again!
From: fleistiko@kalispell.com
To: trnyr@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: cropduster
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:19:26 -0600
Tom
1 have not seen the cropduster yet. I will try to catch him this week when he lands to refuel. If ! remember correctly,
you live in the lower valley area, right? I will try to get him to fly the pattern other aircraft do when he takes off to the
south.
Fred A. Leistft
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From: tom read [mailto:trnyr@hotmaii.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 8:07 AM
To: fleisbko@ka|ispel|.com
Subject. RE: cropduster
Mc Leistko, the very same plane has returned, and is doing what itdid last year, flying low over and over
again beginning at an early hour. I complained to the FAA last year, who claimed they would have a word
with the company, which if they did, was not heeded. They should not be granted permission to use the
airport if they can't operate in a safe and decent manner. Tom Read
> From: fleisdko@ka|ispeU.conn
> To: trnyr@hotnnaiicorn
> Subject: RE: cmuoduster
> Date: Hi, 22Aug 2008 16:18:20 -OOOD
> If and when he comes back next year and you see him flying, call me and I
> will get his number for you to call the FAA. He does have to come back to
> the airport to refuel. That's the |avv of flight, take -off is optional, but
> landing iSmandatory.
�
> Fred A. LeiStiko
> Airport Manager
> City ofKalispell
>P.O.Box 1997
> Kalispell, K4T599U3
>4O6-35O-3065
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> ----Drigina| Messaga-----
> From: tVrn read [rnai!to:trnyr@hotnnai|.corn]
> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 2:02 PM
> To: Fred Leistiko
> Subject: RE: cpopduater
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> This guy wasn't even flying 50Ofeet over the homes here -as he did last year
> too. When itshakes your house and you can srne|| insecticide there is a
> definite height problem. The FAA told nO8 that they have no jurisdiction for
> the city airport and that any complaints have to be filed with you.
> Otherwise if this guy or any other is doing something careless I am to get a
> tail number and turn it in to them for possible action. Very hard to get
> tail number when all you see is the bottom of his plane at 100 miles per
> hour. I drove over to the airport to try to get one and could not get close
> enough. They obviously feel safe in doing this every year. Thanks
> --_---------------_--_-_---_--_------
>> Fronn:OeisUko@ka|ispe!/.conn
>> To: trnyr@hntnmai|.conn
>>Subiact: RE:cropduater
>> Date: Thu, 21Aug 2008 10:57:44-0600
>>Tom:
>> The crop duster, Campbell Aviation from Dutton, Montana is here every year
>> under contract with Cenextodo aerial spraying. He pays a commercial fee
>> to use the public airport the same as everyone else. I have control of
> him
>> onthe airport, but once he leaves the runway he is under FAA rules. I
>hava
>> discussed our noise abatement procedures with him every year hearrives.
> He
>> is not allowed to fly over a populated area below 1,000 feet, except for
>> take -off and landing. The State Aviation Department has an aerial
applicators association that you might contact and complain to. The FAA
> may
>> be able to warn him, if you have proof of his low flying to present to
> them.
>> I don't chase aircraft after they leave the airport.
>> Campbell Aviation has left for the season, but will return next year for a
> 2
>> or 3 week period.
>> Fred A. Leistiko
>> Airport Manager
>> City of Kalispell
>> P.O. Box 1997
>> Kalispell, MT 59903
>> 406-250-3065
>> -----Original Message -----
>> From: tom read [mailto:trnyr@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 9:52 AM
>> To: airport@kalispell.com
>> Subject: cropduster
>> Dear Sir, the activities of the cropduster who headquarters at the south
> end
>> of the airport need to be reviewed. Last year and now this year he starts
>> out at the crack of dawn and flies about half as high as anyone else
> coming
>> out of the city airport. He goes right over our and other neighborhoods
>> with that full load of bug killer. If we have a window open it has a
> strong
>> chemical odor, and he is very loud. There seems to be little if any
>> consideration for those of us who have to hear him and smell him -and he
>> knows as well as anyone he does not have to fly this way. He could easily
>> go around the towers as so many others have started to do, or at the very
>> least fly twice as high as he is. If that thing ditched over these houses
>> it would be a tragedy as well as a disaster for those of us living
> here -and
>> it is avoidable. I hesitate to get the guy's number and turn him in to
> the
>> FAA, but I will if need be. Please make some changes concerning his
>> activities. Saturday 9:51AM Thanks, Tom Read
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From:
Jim Pierce aim@redeagleaviation.com]
Sent:
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 7:50 AM
To:
Fred Leistiko
Subject:
Steve Eckels
I don't know if you got this or not......
James R. Pierce
Red Eagle Aviation, Inc.
www.redeagleaviation.com
406-755-2376 Office
406-755-5231 Fax
-----Original Message -----
From: Red Eagle Aviation [mailto:info@redeagleaviation.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:24 AM
To: rachel@redeagleaviation.com; jim@redeagleaviation.com
Subject: Website Feedback Form
Below is the result of the Website Feedback Form form. It was submitted by
eckels@guitarmusicman.com on July 21st, 2009 at 09:23AM (MDT).
Name: Eckels to Jim Pierce
E-mail: eckels@guitarmusicman.com
Tail Number: ba
Visit —Date: na
Comments: Hi Jim
Thank you for reducing the noise over Kalispell's historic district this summer. I notice an
improvement from last year. Would you please pass along this info to other pilots who may be
interested.
Enclosed:
---City council comments
---Flight recommendations from Washington FAA
If there is anything I can do to help the aviation community, please let me know.
Best wishes,
Steve Eckels
July 20,2009
Steve Eckels
City Council Comment
Re: noise from the City Airport and Private Flight School
Comments are addressed to the council and to the citizens of Kalispell regarding noise from
the city airport.
1
Correct the record: According to the news paper report of last weeks council meeting it was
stated that by Jim Atkinson that the FAA meters and monitors noise. According to Paul
Hurlbert at the FAA Flight Standards office in Helena, the FAA does not monitor altitude and
noise from the Kalispell City Airport.
Kalispell City Airport is classified by the FAA as an uncontrolled airfield. Although
there are rules for pilots above a certain altitude, there is no monitoring, control or
enforcement.
Although the airport is a public airport, the main source of noise has been from the
private flight school. According to the FAA, the city holds the authority to regulate flight
paths and noise, on and off the ground. Enforcement falls to city attorney, city court and
police department. The city can regulate flight school business as a type of zoning
regulation. I feel it is time for the city to step up and take seriously the protection of
the residents and the schools in downtown Kalispell. Many of the historic homes of downtown
Kalispell were here before the airport was.
According to the FAA the flight school may operate from Glacier Airport. According to the
air traffic control at Glacier Airport, training flights are welcome and encouraged. This
would be one way to solve the problem of noise over the city.
The citizens of Kalispell are protected from noise by city code 19-10 Disturbance of the
Peace. Citizens interested in asserting their rights can obtain a Kalispell Police
Department Witness Statement. Citizens are encouraged to document as much information as
possible including the times of the disturbance, and if possible the color of the plane and
the plane identification number. Witness statements should be turned in to the police
department. The police department will first issue a warning to the aviators. If the
disturbance continues, court action would be the next consideration.
Further, there is no monitoring or log information in regards to take offs and landing.
For example if you went down to the airport at 5:00 and asked for a list of the flight
activity, names, times, etc, there would be no information available.
In summary:
There is no monitoring of altitude and noise.
The city could regulate noise and flight paths.
The main source of noise is from a private flight school. Moving operations to Glacier
Airport would solve the noise problems.
This is in response to your telephone inquiry regarding General Aviation
aircraft generating noise operating to and from 527.
The airport currently operates using left-hand traffic patterns to runways
13 and 31.
One simple solution is to modify the runway traffic pattern operations.
Runway 31can maintain its left hand traffic pattern with a minor change for
departures.
Since aircraft departing runway 31 are operating at full power over the
city causing noise problems, a natural solution is to request the airport
manager
to post a change for pilots to the effect " Departing Runway 31-For Noise
2
Abatement Purposes, after take off, climb to 200-300 ft and turn left to a
heading of 220 degrees to avoid overflight of the city".
For Runway 13, departure/takeoffs to the southeast do not create noise
problems. However, landings do create a noise problem. Therefore, because
of this, the traffic pattern for 13 could be changed to a right-hand
pattern to minimize any overflight of the city.
In summation. A new right hand pattern for runway 13, and a normal left
hand pattern for 31 with a defined takeoff and departure procedure.
I hope that these recommendations help. General Aviation desires to be a
friend to all not involved in aviation.
Thank you for your interest in aviation and aviation safety.
Stephen D. Isaacs
Aviation Safety Inspector -Operations
General Aviation & Commercial Division
Commercial Operations Branch, AFS-820
Washington, DC 20591
202-267-7413
3
Fred Leistiko
From: tom read [trnyr@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 6:47 PM
To: fleistiko@kalispell.com
Subject: RE: cropduster
Thanks for your efforts! I watched that guy fly just to the north of me and he was far lower than most
aircraft flying out. He went right over my house quite early and just as low. Made fewer flights than last
year so far. The folks flying around the towers have by and large been doing a good job -very little to
gripe about! I live at 29 Lower Valley Rd., or about a block and a half from the 93/Willow Glen jct., and
must be exactly due east of where planes lift off, as when they avoid the towers, they fly right over my
house, headed that way. Thanks Again!
From: fleistiko@kalispell.com
To: trnyr@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: cropduster
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:19:26 -0600
Tom:
I have not seen the cropduster yet. I will try to catch him this week when he lands to refuel. !f 1 remember correctly,
you live in the lower valley area, right? I will try to get hirr to fly the pattern other aircraft do when he tales off to the
south.
Fred A. Leist fo
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From: tom read [mailto:trnyr@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 8:07 AM
To: fleistiko@kalispell.com
Subject: RE: cropduster
Mr. Leistiko, the very same plane has returned, and is doing what it did last year, flying low over and over
again beginning at an early hour. I complained to the FAA last year, who claimed they would have a word
with the company, which if they did, was not heeded. They should not be granted permission to use the
airport if they can't operate in a safe and decent manner. Tom Read
> From: fleistiko@kalispell.com
> To: trnyr@hotmail.com
> Subject: RE: cropduster
> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:18:20 -0600
> Tom:
> If and when he comes back next year and you see him flying, call me and I
> will get his number for you to call the FAA. He does have to come back to
> the airport to refuel. That's the law of flight, take -off is optional, but
> landing is mandatory.
> Fred A. Leistiko
> Airport Manager
> City of Kalispell
> P.O. Box 1997
> Kalispell, MT 59903
> 406-250-3065
> -----Original Message -----
> From: tom read [mailto:trnyr@hotmaii.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 2:02 PM
> To: Fred Leistiko
> Subject: RE: cropduster
> This guy wasn't even flying 500 feet over the homes here -as he did last year
> too. When it shakes your house and you can smell insecticide there is a
> definite height problem. The FAA told me that they have no jurisdiction for
> the city airport and that any complaints have to be filed with you.
> Otherwise if this guy or any other is doing something careless I am to get a
> tail number and turn it in to them for possible action. Very hard to get a
> tail number when all you see is the bottom of his plane at 100 miles per
> hour. I drove over to the airport to try to get one and could not get close
> enough. They obviously feel safe in doing this every year. Thanks
> ----------------------------------------
>> From: fleistiko@kalispell.com
>> To: trnyr@hotmail.com
>> Subject: RE: cropduster
>> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:57:44 -0600
>> Tom:
>> The crop duster, Campbell Aviation from Dutton, Montana is here every year
>> under contract with Cenex to do aerial spraying. He pays a commercial fee
>> to use the public airport the same as everyone else. I have control of
> him
>> on the airport, but once he leaves the runway he is under FAA rules. I
> have
>> discussed our noise abatement procedures with him every year he arrives.
> He
>> is not allowed to fly over a populated area below 1,000 feet, except for
>> take -off and landing. The State Aviation Department has an aerial
>> applicators association that you might contact and complain to. The FAA
> may
>> be able to warn him, if you have proof of his low flying to present to
> them.
>> I don't chase aircraft after they leave the airport.
>> Campbell Aviation has left for the season, but will return next year for a
>2
>> or 3 week period.
>> Fred A. Leistiko
>> Airport Manager
>> City of Kalispell
>> P.O. Box 1997
>> Kalispell, MT 59903
>> 406-250-3065
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tom read [mailto:trnyr@hotmaii.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 9:52 AM
>> To: airport@kalispell.com
>> Subject: cropduster
>> Dear Sir, the activities of the cropduster who headquarters at the south
> end
>> of the airport need to be reviewed. Last year and now this year he starts
>> out at the crack of dawn and flies about half as high as anyone else
> coming
>> out of the city airport. He goes right over our and other neighborhoods
>> with that full load of bug killer. If we have a window open it has a
> strong
>> chemical odor, and he is very loud. There seems to be little if any
>> consideration for those of us who have to hear him and smell him -and he
>> knows as well as anyone he does not have to fly this way. He could easily
>> go around the towers as so many others have started to do, or at the very
>> least fly twice as high as he is. If that thing ditched over these houses
it would be a tragedy as well as a disaster for those of us living
> here -and
>> it is avoidable. I hesitate to get the guys number and turn him in to
> the
>> FAA, but I will if need be. Please make some changes concerning his
>> activities. Saturday 9:51AM Thanks, Tom Read
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