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12-02-86 Parking Comm Minutes0 December 2, 1986 PARKING COMMISSION 4:00 P.M. Chairman Gordon Pirrie and Commission members Colin Wills, Ed Myers and Bob Ivey in attendance. Mayor Kennedy, Councilmen Saverud, Manning and Palmer, Clerk Haver, Ed Gallagher, Chief Stefanic, Henry Good, Tom O'Neil, Phil Neuharth and Roger Hopkins of the Daily Inter Lake also present. BURLINGTON NORTHERN LOT - Gordon Pirrie stated that the Parking Commission wants the lot, they don't want to have to pave it, and they need to know what needs to be done to finalize this situation. C. Saverud pointed out that the parking ordinance require lots to be paved. C. Palmer said this was a commercial requirement that would not apply on a vacant piece of property. C. Saverud felt the City Attorney should write an opinion stating it was permissible. Mayor Kennedy said the final agreement for the lease was for $500/month with Burlington Northern taking care of the taxes and a 70%-30% split on any revenues over $500/month. There was some discussion of paying for something that is already in use for parking but the consensus was that the City needed to be up front and fair with BN. C. Palmer was concerned that a precedent was being set by paying a flat fee since other leases are not handled that way. Access was discussed and the Mayor stated that the only access and exit would be from Main Street because the other access points are included in separate leases with other businesses. One access and exit only, with a right turn in and right turn only out will be used. Bob Ivey made a motion to accept the lease on tha above terms based on minimal improvements. Ed Myers seconded and the motion passed. A letter will be written to the • City Council with the Parking Commission's recommendation. ORDINANCE EXTENDING 2-HOUR PARKING ZONES - Colin Wills offered his vehicle count figures for the downtown area (attached) and pointed out that he counted 241 vehicles in the east end of the mall lot during the week that were not there on weekends. It was agreed again that enforcement of off-street parking was a necessity. There was the continuing discussion of enforcement, available parking spaces, the area to be included, etc. C. Saverud stated that some of the Council were wondering if the Parking Commission had a game plan and said the Council wants to encourage actions that fit into a long range plan as well as temporary measures that work within the plan. Colin Wills asked if that could include leasing of Griffin Park for parking. C. Manning felt that a short term, temporary lease until the property was sold could probably be worked out but also asked what was the use of enforcing off-street parking if you lose 230 spaces and have nowhere for the vehicles to go? Ed Myers pointed out that cities than plan well plan for parking as they expand rather than after the fact. C. Saverud thought that better enforcement might encourage free enterprise in the area of parking so the whole burden might not be on the City. Chief Stefanic stated several points: 1) Shortening the parking time limit would make enforcement easier, but with that comes the question of having enough time to shop, 2) More (1-2) meter maids would be necessary to catch offenders but if a greater number of offenders were caught it would make the system work, and 3) There is a need for a change in Montana law to allow for collection of tickets. The Supreme Court has had a problem with holding the 11 r1 LJ 0 PARKING COMMISSION December 2, 1986 Page 2 owner of a vehicle responsible for parking tickets. Enforcement at this point is a big bluff and he estimated that 20% of the tickets are not collected. Revamping the ordinances to make fines collectible by civil collection procedures would help. Colin Wills said temporary help should be hired on a trial basis. Clerk Halver stated that the budget could not be amended at this time to add more staff, and that in order to amend it they must prove that funding is available. The Chief will look into this situation to see what can be done. O'NEIL LOT - Colin Wills stated he had gotten bids from two appraisers and it would cost approximately $250/day for a cursury 2-day appraisal. Qualifications for appraisers were discussed. Attorney Neier gave word that three things need to take place: 1) Parking Commission must show that this lot fits into the long range plan and recommend action to the Council, 2) the City Council then approves the purchase based upon the outcome of the appraisal, and 3) the City Council makes the arrangements for the appraisal. After continued discussion Bob Ivey moved that the Parking Commission recommend the purchase of the O'Neil lots for the price of up to $135,000. Gordon Pirrie turned the chair over to Ed Myers and seconded the motion. Bob Ivey and Gordon Pirrie voted for, Ed Myers voted against and Colin Wills abstained. The motion passed. Paving of the lot was discussed. It cannot be done until warm weather. Ed Gallagher stated that bond funds could be used for improvements as well as acquisition. Tom O'Neil stated that he is trying to work with his board and needs a letter or something in writing showing the intent of the City since the lots have been off the market for a month and a half waiting for action from the City. C. Saverud said that as soon as the Council acts on the sale he would have no problem with a letter being written stating that based upon the appraisal the property would be purchased. LONG-RANGE PLAN - C. Palmer asked that Le Parking Commission be ready to present a major long range plan to the Council because they want to know. Gordon Pirrie felt that the PC could give direction but that many specifics cannot be known at this point. C. Saverud asked for a statement of philosophy and intent rather than specifics. Colin Wills asked if the Councilman in attendance were in favor of the Salem plan. C. Saverud said he was. C. Palmer was concerned about administrative costs and the possible loss of good will. Gordon Pirrie responded that if some people don't like it that was too bad - the need to be addressed here was getting customers downtown in order to keep viable businesses open. The secretary will write to Salem and Eugene, OR both for up-to-date parking ordinances. TheICity Attorney needs to check the plans for enforceability. Chief Stefanid and the secretary will prepare a map of the existing two-hour parking zones for the next meeting so that extention of the zones may be discussed. - I PARKING COMMISSION • December 2, 1986 Page 3 NORTHWEST TELEPHONE REQUEST' FOR 20 LEASE SPACES - Bob Ivey and Colin Wills will scout out possible acquisition and improvement costs. This information can be translated into a cost/month figure to pass on to the phone company. TRIPPET LOT - The City Clerk explained that after going over the records carefully it appears the City owes approximately $3,000. Bob Ivey said that for a period of time the City Hall employees parked in his lot and Trippet forgave his portion of the revenues (70%,). Then there was a misunderstanding and the end result was that he would sign a lease and the City would settle. Since there is no signed lease legally and technically the City does not owe the money, but morally it does owe it. Clerk Halver said he counted all the full time tickets from November 1982 to the present. The City provided the meters, posts and box and Trippet installed them and paved and striped the lot and agreed to pay for the improvements. Bob Ivey will go to see Mr. Trippet to negotiate a settlement, part of which will be that Mr. Trippet signs a lease. CORRECTION - Colin Wills asked that the minutes show that he voted for the purchase of the O'Neil Lot at the November meeting providing that the Council pass an ordinance with stiffer enforcement of the two hour parking zones. 0 ajg 11